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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Oct 8, 2010 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

Unless you are being cynical, can you honestly say that you were never jarred from a perfect sonic reverie coming out of one of the many Playin' jams 72 to 79 by that godawful screeching wail? To her defense, however, there were times where her background harmonies from 76 through 78 sounded heaven-sent.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Oct 8, 2010 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

Maybe the very first time I heard Donna do her thing in 'Playin',' it was jarring. After awhile, I grew to expect it, though. And her early 'contributions' to ending Scarlet jams are indeed bad. I just appreciate her overall work 1000 times more than any of Brent's. Donna didn't write a clutch of 'bathroom break' songs, and she never tried to imitate Michael MacDonald or did any tapping on half-filled milk-bottles with spoons...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2010 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

And to top it off, Brent could not play St. Stephen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oBwGzGlTlY

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 8, 2010 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

Hey BD--just curious, and again, apologies for not just looking it up however I might do that, BUT for your touring dates, was it the case that they did it that often during the Brent yrs? I rarely saw it after they brought it "back" in 76 or so, but only had a few more yrs, and most were with Keith.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 8, 2010 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

I can only recall one time, like in '83, that broke it out - there might have been another show (Marin?) where they played it. But don't you want to hear "Easy to Love You" or "Never Trust A Woman"?

FWIW, I always thought the album cover for "Go To Heaven" was the guys making fun of the whole disco/Bee Gees' thing - last band on earth people would have associated with the same. Never trust a prankster...

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Poster: iamdead Date: Oct 11, 2010 5:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: never trust a women

there is a killer version of never trust a women on video from philly 89 [crism.whit.indgo]

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 8, 2010 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

10/11/83 (MSG), 10/15/83 (Hartford) and 10/31/83 (Marin). All good versions IMO, though I don't care for pairing it with Throwing Stones -- conceptual whiplash.

Wonder why they didn't keep doing it. I've heard things like JG was tired of it (what, and he wasn't tired of Bertha? He's Gone? Fill in the Blank?) or that they weren't satisfied with it (as opposed to, say, Day Job?) There's gotta be a better reason out there.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 9, 2010 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

Garcia said in the '80s that St Stephen was a musical cop - it was inflexible & unnecessarily difficult to play, the parts had to be played 'just so' in order to work, it was hard to remember the parts in order, & they couldn't play it with the same conviction as they used to. Basically the same complaint he had with Cosmic Charlie - that when he wrote it, it was fun to come up with these tricky tunes, but trying to play them got old after a while.
Whereas things like Bertha & He's Gone etc, are much easier to play. Which to me demonstrates kind of a slackening of discipline/cutting back on rehearsals/lower ambitions/playing on autopilot, but oh well... (Even Brokedown Palace he had trouble with sometimes!) I guess when you've been playing in a band for 10, 20 years, you get tired of some tunes!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 9, 2010 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

Yeah, but not tired of Bertha, somehow. (I like Bertha; just an example. Come to think of it, I've been listening to Bertha longer than Jerry played it. Gak!!!)

Basically it sounds as if it was a Catch 22, JG style. It took a lot of tiresome rehearsal and discipline to get right, which wasn't going to happen; but if it wasn't right, then it wasn't satisfying.

To me, though, the breakout St Stephens in 83 are certainly as good as anything else they were doing that year. Once they'd worked on it enough to break it out again, why not just keep playing it? But then, there was a five-month break between the last St Stephen and their next tour; so probably it would have been back to rehearsals, which wasn't going to happen.

Too bad. But I guess that left it as a song that didn't really get stale or deteriorate. So that would be the silver lining ...

Now I've got a whole lot of questions bubbling up about St Stephen, but I'm going out of town for a while (no internet, probably), so I'll have to let them percolate for a bit!!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 9, 2010 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

Have you listened to the 6-14-68 version yet? Go directly there, filter the poor AUD quality, and listen at least five times to the most amazing jamming ever done with that tune as they wrap it up with an Aoxomoxoa like ending...rarely done, or at least rarely recorded in that fashion. By Aug 68 it's the "fast 68" version, done consistently from Aug thru Dec, prior to becoming the somewhat longer "Fillmore Version" of Live Dead, done that way (~6' vs ~4') for most of 69...

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Oct 8, 2010 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

I couldn't agree with you more on each of your comments. I've always wondered 'what if' they had Tracy Nelson instead of Donna?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 8, 2010 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Brent Mydland

TN!! Blast from the past! Haven't thought of her in years and years!